Koronavirusas (COVID-19)

[Kitas Džiugas]

Keletą antivakserių šiame forume išbanino

Tik tiek? Galvojau, kad kalbama apie valstybės vykdomą cenzūrą.

Kodėl pandemijos metu privatus forumas negali atsikratyti kenkėjų?

[MedinisStrazdas]

O kokia Lietuvoje buvo cenzūra?

Keletą antivakserių šiame forume išbanino

[Kitas Džiugas]

Kad cenzūra buvo mirtina čia forume daug kas nežinojo, daug kas pasisakė už cenzūrą.

O kokia Lietuvoje buvo cenzūra?

[MedinisStrazdas]

Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from its consequences.

Speech with consequences is not free.

Kad cenzūra buvo mirtina čia forume daug kas nežinojo, daug kas pasisakė už cenzūrą.

Cenzūra nebuvo mirtina.

Mintis yra, kad jie tikrai nepalaiko šaukimo fire teatre. Jie palaiko diskusiją ir teisingo atsakymo išsiaiškinimą, o ne kitos nuomonės cenzūrą.

2 skirtingi dalykai, o sankauskas jam įprastu būdu bando prilyginti abu.

Tai kodėl pagal juos teisingo atsakymo išaiškinimas yra melagingos informacijos citavimas?

[DeSadas]

Covid Censorship Proved to Be Deadly

Government and social-media companies colluded to stifle dissenters who turned out to be right.

By Bret Swanson
July 7, 2023 5:38 pm ET

https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-c...ealth-697c32c4


''Twitter blacklisted Stanford physician and economist Jay Bhattacharya for showing Covid almost exclusively threatened the elderly, severely reducing the visibility of his tweets. When Stanford health policy scholar Scott Atlas began advising the White House, YouTube erased his most prominent video opposing lockdowns. Twitter banned Robert Malone, a pioneer of mRNA vaccine technology, for calling attention to the vaccines’ dangers. YouTube demonetized evolutionary biologist Bret Weinstein, who suggested the virus might be engineered and predicted vaccine-evading variants. And those are only a few examples.

Social-media platforms were powerful tools for full-spectrum censorship, but they didn’t act alone. Medical schools, medical boards, science journals and legacy media sang from the same hymnal.

Legions of doctors stayed quiet after witnessing the demonization of their peers who challenged the Covid orthodoxy. A little censorship leads people to watch what they say. Millions of patients and citizens were deprived of important insights as a result.

Health authorities and TV doctors insisted young people were vulnerable, demanded toddlers wear masks, closed schools, beaches and parks, and were loath to contemplate crucial cost-benefit analysis. The economy? Mental health? Never heard of them.

These “experts” denied the protective effects of recovered immunity, a phenomenon we’ve known about since the Plague of Athens in 430 B.C. They effectively prohibited generic drugs approved by the Food and Drug Administration, such as azithromycin and ivermectin, which low-income nations around the world were deploying successfully. They failed to appreciate the evolutionary dynamics of mass vaccination during a pandemic.
''

Dieve vel prasideda su savo tuo ivermectinu ir azitromicinu... ekspertai mat susirinko.

[Gator]

Nes jie taip pasakė. Negi abejosi

Mintis yra, kad jie tikrai nepalaiko šaukimo fire teatre. Jie palaiko diskusiją ir teisingo atsakymo išsiaiškinimą, o ne kitos nuomonės cenzūrą.

2 skirtingi dalykai, o sankauskas jam įprastu būdu bando prilyginti abu.

[rmss]

who?

who

(World health organization, forumiukas neleidžia didžiosiomis raidėmis posto įkalt :/)

[sankauskas]

who turned out to be right.

Who?

[MikasRidikas]

who turned out to be right.

Nes jie taip pasakė. Negi abejosi

[Gator]

Šitie tekstai turi mums pasakyti, kad kalbos laisvės absoliutistai mãno, kad "Shouting fire in a crowded theater" yra OK. Ir galbūt jie teisūs.

Kad ne apie melagingą gaisro skelbimą rašo, o rašo:

Government and social-media companies colluded to stifle dissenters who turned out to be right.

[Gator]

O ką čia šitie tekstai turėtų mums pasakyti, ko nežinojome iki šiol?

Kad cenzūra buvo mirtina čia forume daug kas nežinojo, daug kas pasisakė už cenzūrą.

[Taj Mahal]

Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from its consequences.

[sankauskas]

O ką čia šitie tekstai turėtų mums pasakyti, ko nežinojome iki šiol?

Šitie tekstai turi mums pasakyti, kad kalbos laisvės absoliutistai mãno, kad "Shouting fire in a crowded theater" yra OK. Ir galbūt jie teisūs.

[MikasRidikas]

Covid Censorship Proved to Be Deadly

Government and social-media companies colluded to stifle dissenters who turned out to be right.

By Bret Swanson
July 7, 2023 5:38 pm ET

https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-c...ealth-697c32c4


''Twitter blacklisted Stanford physician and economist Jay Bhattacharya for showing Covid almost exclusively threatened the elderly, severely reducing the visibility of his tweets. When Stanford health policy scholar Scott Atlas began advising the White House, YouTube erased his most prominent video opposing lockdowns. Twitter banned Robert Malone, a pioneer of mRNA vaccine technology, for calling attention to the vaccines’ dangers. YouTube demonetized evolutionary biologist Bret Weinstein, who suggested the virus might be engineered and predicted vaccine-evading variants. And those are only a few examples.

Social-media platforms were powerful tools for full-spectrum censorship, but they didn’t act alone. Medical schools, medical boards, science journals and legacy media sang from the same hymnal.

Legions of doctors stayed quiet after witnessing the demonization of their peers who challenged the Covid orthodoxy. A little censorship leads people to watch what they say. Millions of patients and citizens were deprived of important insights as a result.

Health authorities and TV doctors insisted young people were vulnerable, demanded toddlers wear masks, closed schools, beaches and parks, and were loath to contemplate crucial cost-benefit analysis. The economy? Mental health? Never heard of them.

These “experts” denied the protective effects of recovered immunity, a phenomenon we’ve known about since the Plague of Athens in 430 B.C. They effectively prohibited generic drugs approved by the Food and Drug Administration, such as azithromycin and ivermectin, which low-income nations around the world were deploying successfully. They failed to appreciate the evolutionary dynamics of mass vaccination during a pandemic.
''

O ką čia šitie tekstai turėtų mums pasakyti, ko nežinojome iki šiol?

[spekas]

Covid Censorship Proved to Be Deadly

Government and social-media companies colluded to stifle dissenters who turned out to be right.

By Bret Swanson
July 7, 2023 5:38 pm ET

https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-c...ealth-697c32c4


''Twitter blacklisted Stanford physician and economist Jay Bhattacharya for showing Covid almost exclusively threatened the elderly, severely reducing the visibility of his tweets. When Stanford health policy scholar Scott Atlas began advising the White House, YouTube erased his most prominent video opposing lockdowns. Twitter banned Robert Malone, a pioneer of mRNA vaccine technology, for calling attention to the vaccines’ dangers. YouTube demonetized evolutionary biologist Bret Weinstein, who suggested the virus might be engineered and predicted vaccine-evading variants. And those are only a few examples.

Social-media platforms were powerful tools for full-spectrum censorship, but they didn’t act alone. Medical schools, medical boards, science journals and legacy media sang from the same hymnal.

Legions of doctors stayed quiet after witnessing the demonization of their peers who challenged the Covid orthodoxy. A little censorship leads people to watch what they say. Millions of patients and citizens were deprived of important insights as a result.

Health authorities and TV doctors insisted young people were vulnerable, demanded toddlers wear masks, closed schools, beaches and parks, and were loath to contemplate crucial cost-benefit analysis. The economy? Mental health? Never heard of them.

These “experts” denied the protective effects of recovered immunity, a phenomenon we’ve known about since the Plague of Athens in 430 B.C. They effectively prohibited generic drugs approved by the Food and Drug Administration, such as azithromycin and ivermectin, which low-income nations around the world were deploying successfully. They failed to appreciate the evolutionary dynamics of mass vaccination during a pandemic.
''

[MedinisStrazdas]

Čia keli antivakseriai eis vienas kitam pritarti?

[spekas]

Dr. Bret Weinstein and Dr. Jay Bhattacharya discussion 2023 06 23 (click on image):



''Dave Rubin of “The Rubin Report” talks to Bret Weinstein and Jay Bhattacharya about Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s controversial appearance on "The Joe Rogan Experience," during which he discussed how Big Pharma manipulated data during the COVID vaccine trials; Joe Rogan’s attempt to set up a debate about vaccines between Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Dr. Peter Hotez; Kamala Harris and Dr. Fauci’s COVID-vaccine propaganda; Bret and Jay’s participation in Ron DeSantis’ COVID-19 mRNA vaccine accountability roundtable; what Jay thinks the biggest mistake was in the handling of the pandemic; and much more.''

The Nuremberg Code 1947

[Sula]

Vienas iš pavyzdžių iš tų laikų, kai nebuvo skiepų nuo vienos iš baisių virusinių ligų:

https://www.delfi.lt/gyvenimas/istor...uleje-91621885

Mano mama dirbo pokaryje vaikų sesele ir matė savo akimis šimtus suluošintų vaikų (dauguma ilgai neišgyvenusių, skirtingai nei Paulas) Lietuvoje. Iki tol, kol neatsirado balti dražė rutuliukai su vakcina. Beje, pradžioje dar ji nebuvo praėjusi visų reikiamų testavimų.

[MedinisStrazdas]

Beabejo, kad teisinė tvarka visiems vaistams yra vienoda, reikalingi ilgi tyrimai ilgalaikiui šalutiniui poveikiui nustatyti, kad vaistai ar vakcinos atsidurtų prekyboje. Su vakcinomis ta pati situacija. Nebent kažkas išras keliavimą laiku.

Na matyt išrado keliavimą laiku nes vakcinos jau kurį laiką kuriamos daug greičiau nei tu pateiki. Vakcinos nėra vaistai beje.

Ilgi tyrimai ilgalaikiu šalutiniam poreikiui yra daromi po licencijavimo.

[Lettered]

Jeigu vienam vaistui buvo tokia tvarka tai bus ir visiems?

Va paimkim kad ir drug discovery ir regulator review, šitie abu įvyko per mažiau nei metus COVID vakcinos atveju. O šiaip tai vis dar nesugebi atskirti kur yra vaistas kur yra vakcina. Vaistas yra pastoviai vartojama veiklioji medžiaga. Vakcina yra tavo organizmo išmokinimas pačiam tvarkytis kuriam užtenka tik dalies viruso.

Beabejo, kad teisinė tvarka visiems vaistams yra vienoda, reikalingi ilgi tyrimai ilgalaikiui šalutiniui poveikiui nustatyti, kad vaistai ar vakcinos atsidurtų prekyboje. Su vakcinomis ta pati situacija. Nebent kažkas išras keliavimą laiku.