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Parašė Arunasx Rodyti pranešimąSnowflakes will attack U <3
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Europe needs to get over its cluster bomb qualms to defend itself, experts say https://www.businessinsider.com/euro...ia-2025-4?IR=T
- Europe needs cluster munitions to defend itself from Russia, two military analysts say.
- If the US backs away from NATO, European militaries will need them to knock out Russian air defenses.
- Bomblets can degrade air defenses by spreading damage. They also endanger civilians.
But if Europe is serious about defending itself from a potential Russian invasion, it will need to bring back cluster munitions, a British think tank warns.
The problem is that Europe lacks the ground forces to stop a massive Russian invasion. NATO would need to compensate — as it did during the Cold War — with airpower to pound Russian troops and supply lines to give its much smaller armies a fighting chance. The Warsaw Pact fielded 295 divisions and 69,000 tanks as compared to NATO's 170 divisions and 28,000 tanks.
Yet Russian anti-aircraft defenses would inhibit European air operations. "NATO land forces are overwhelmingly dependent on air power for fires," Justin Bronk and Jack Watling wrote in a report for the Royal United Services Institute. "Without large-scale US assistance, however, European air forces would currently struggle to roll back dense and integrated air defense systems (IADS) such as those protecting Russian forces."
Russia has created a multilayered network of mobile short-, medium- and long-range surface-to-air missiles and radars. Any aircraft attacking short- or medium-range missile batteries risks coming under attack from long-range missiles.
"Modern Russian air defense systems have far greater range, are more mobile, more resilient and significantly more lethal than any faced by NATO forces in conflict," RUSI said.
Normal practice would be for an advanced air force to first concentrate on knocking out enemy air defenses before supporting the ground forces. Israel failed to do this in the 1973 October War, and paid a heavy price. But Israel did accomplish this with stunning success in the 1982 Lebanon War, as did America in Desert Storm in 1991. Aircraft equipped with anti-radar missiles and jammers hunted radars and surface-to-air missile batteries.
But Europe lacks these capabilities. It is the US that has provided the bulk of air defense suppression systems for NATO. Yet with the Trump administration distancing itself from NATO — or potentially even withdrawing — from the alliance, Europe faces the prospect of tackling Russian air defenses on its own.
The "limited training and capability development for the suppression and destruction of enemy air defenses (SEAD/DEAD) in most European countries since the end of the Cold War has made the availability of [close air support] doubtful during the initial period of any war between peer adversaries," the report said.
This means that Europe's undermanned and underequipped armies would have to fight without air support. Or, European armies have to destroy those air defenses themselves to allow friendly aircraft to operate. "Land forces cannot wait for air forces to complete the SEAD/DEAD campaign before they themselves are committed — they must be able to operate for a sustained period while the airspace is still heavily contested," said RUSI.
Ideally, long-range ground-based weapons — such as Lockheed Martin's ATACMS ballistic missiles — would target air defenses. But there are limited stockpiles of these $1 million munitions, and Russia has been able to jam their GPS guidance. No less important is that Russian anti-aircraft missiles, such as the SA-17, SA-20 and SA-28, are designed to shoot down ballistic missiles and artillery rockets. "The capacity of Russian SAM systems to shoot down incoming munitions of various kinds has been demonstrated hundreds of times over the three years since the full-scale Russian invasion of Ukraine began," RUSI noted.
One solution is for Europe to bring back cluster weapons. "Cluster munition warheads have consistently proven more effective for DEAD [destruction of enemy air defenses] fire missions than unitary variants," RUSI said. Multiple warheads mean a single cluster-carrying munition can destroy multiple vehicles and other components of an air defense battery, "while cluster munitions' wider area of effect means that they suffer less severely from degradation of accuracy due to hostile EW [electronic warfare]."
With European armies lacking adequate stockpiles of artillery pieces and howitzer shells, cluster munitions may be a lifeline. "The evidence from Ukraine demonstrates that there is a difference in effectiveness such that any military that is constrained on the number of fire missions it can conduct should probably prioritize cluster munitions for its artillery," said RUSI.
In fact, the US and Europe have already supplied cluster munitions to Ukraine that proved deadly against Russian forces. For example, in 2023 the US — which has not ratified the cluster bomb treaty — sent Ukraine M864 155-mm howitzer shells that each carried 72 submunitions. The sale took place despite concerns that 6% of those submunitions would be duds that could lay on the ground for years, threatening civilians. It also supplied Ukraine with ATACMS missiles that each carry 950 bomblets.
Bringing back cluster munitions would be politically fraught in Europe. Yet Lithuania already withdrew from the cluster munition treaty in 2024.
"It seems that many European nations may have to do the same if they are to be able to guarantee their security in the absence of a major US commitment to the theatre, mitigating the ethical concerns by limiting the context in which such munitions are employed, and investing in reducing the dud-rate of newly produced munitions," the RUSI experts recommended. In addition, Europe should invest in more standoff weapons and loitering munitions to target Russian air defenses without endangering manned strike aircraft.
If Europeans choose to forego cluster munitions out of ethical concerns, they shouldn't expect Russia to do the same. "It is also worth noting that Russian forces make extensive use of cluster munitions," the authors pointed out. Thus, "ethically motivated self-limitation by the defending side would not obviate the need for a large-scale post-conflict unexploded ordinance clearance and disposal effort to avoid lasting risk to civilians."
Michael Peck is a defense writer whose work has appeared in Forbes, Defense News, Foreign Policy magazine, and other publications. He holds an MA in political science from Rutgers Univ. Follow him on Twitter and LinkedIn.Nepirk iš Decathlon, Ritter Sport, Philips, Nestle, KraftHeinz, Viada, Vičiūnų, ypač Kalnapilis myžalų,
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Russian anti-aircraft missiles, such as the SA-17, SA-20 and SA-28, are designed to shoot down ballistic missiles and artillery rockets. "The capacity of Russian SAM systems to shoot down incoming munitions of various kinds has been demonstrated hundreds of times over the three years since the full-scale Russian invasion of Ukraine began
Aišku, šios sistemos atidirba savo funkcijas, bet didelių stebuklų nedaro. "Hundreds of times" yra kuklus rezultatas, jei kažkas tuo norėta nustebinti.
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Igoris Eidmanas: dabar koziriai Zelenskio rankose
https://kauno.diena.lt/naujienos/pas...ankose-1222402
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https://www.linkedin.com/posts/alkas...70665984-aZMc/
"Ar kada susimąstėte, kokia iš tikrųjų yra Ukrainai teikiama pagalba? Vienas pačių ukrainiečių pagamintas dronas tiesiog sunaikino daugiau rusijos sviedinių nei JAV ir ES kartu pagamina per metus." - skelbia ukrainiečių šaltinis.
"Balandžio 22 d. Ukrainos bepilotis orlaivis, kurio vertė 1 milijonas, "Palianycia": nuskriejo 700 km, kad smogtų į rusijos 51-ąjį arsenalą – iš NASA palydovų, padarytų iš kosmoso vaizdų matoma, sprogimo metu užsidegė 264 000 tonų amunicijos. 70 km nuo maskvos rusijos oro gynybai nepavyko to sustabdyti"- tvirtina šaltinis.
"Artilerija sukelia 70% Ukrainos aukų. Maždaug po vieną auką iš 100 sviedinių, sunaikinus 6 milijonus, būtų galima išgelbėti 60 000 gyvybių – tiek karių, tiek civilių"- skaičiuoja ukrainiečių šaltinis.
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"Volodymyras Zelenskis įvedė sankcijas prieš 15 fizinių asmenų, įskaitant Aleksejų Arestovičių"
https://ve.lt/pasaulis/volodymyras-z...itant-alekseju
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Kuo toliau tuo labiau panašu kad RF karo nutraukti tikrai nenorės. Žiūrėkit, kiek tautinių mažumų atsikratė - nepadarysi taip lengvai genocido šiais laikais, labai kažkaip negražiai atrodo, o čia va prašom - išsiuntei į karą, o ten jau kaip gavosi taip gavosi. Panašiai ir su zekais - pamenat kiek jų buvo karo pradžioje? Ir įdomu, kiek iš jų išgyveno?
Juk kažin ar atsitiktinumas, kad tautinių mažumų išsiunčiama neproporcingai daug, o rusai taupomi. Žiūrim, dar keli tokio karo metai imant Bachmuto dydžio miestelius po pusmetį - ir Rusijoje rusų jau ne 77% bet kažkur 85%, net jei karas baigsis - dar po kelių dešimtmečių, turint omenyje asimiliacijos tempus, bus ir virš 90%, o gal dar kokį naują karą pradės, tai ir tų 10% palapsniui neliks.Snowflakes will attack U <3
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Parašė Tomizmas Rodyti pranešimąKuo toliau tuo labiau panašu kad RF karo nutraukti tikrai nenorės. Žiūrėkit, kiek tautinių mažumų atsikratė - nepadarysi taip lengvai genocido šiais laikais, labai kažkaip negražiai atrodo, o čia va prašom - išsiuntei į karą, o ten jau kaip gavosi taip gavosi. Panašiai ir su zekais - pamenat kiek jų buvo karo pradžioje? Ir įdomu, kiek iš jų išgyveno?
Juk kažin ar atsitiktinumas, kad tautinių mažumų išsiunčiama neproporcingai daug, o rusai taupomi. Žiūrim, dar keli tokio karo metai imant Bachmuto dydžio miestelius po pusmetį - ir Rusijoje rusų jau ne 77% bet kažkur 85%, net jei karas baigsis - dar po kelių dešimtmečių, turint omenyje asimiliacijos tempus, bus ir virš 90%, o gal dar kokį naują karą pradės, tai ir tų 10% palapsniui neliks.Paskutinis taisė RokasLT; 2025.05.02, 11:47.
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Parašė Tomizmas Rodyti pranešimąKuo toliau tuo labiau panašu kad RF karo nutraukti tikrai nenorės. Žiūrėkit, kiek tautinių mažumų atsikratė - nepadarysi taip lengvai genocido šiais laikais, labai kažkaip negražiai atrodo, o čia va prašom - išsiuntei į karą, o ten jau kaip gavosi taip gavosi. Panašiai ir su zekais - pamenat kiek jų buvo karo pradžioje? Ir įdomu, kiek iš jų išgyveno?
Juk kažin ar atsitiktinumas, kad tautinių mažumų išsiunčiama neproporcingai daug, o rusai taupomi. Žiūrim, dar keli tokio karo metai imant Bachmuto dydžio miestelius po pusmetį - ir Rusijoje rusų jau ne 77% bet kažkur 85%, net jei karas baigsis - dar po kelių dešimtmečių, turint omenyje asimiliacijos tempus, bus ir virš 90%, o gal dar kokį naują karą pradės, tai ir tų 10% palapsniui neliks.
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Parašė Lettered Rodyti pranešimą
Kariauja samdiniai, o patys rusai nelabai nori kariauti, bent už tokius pinigus, kokie dabar siūlomi. Putinui gal tų tautinių mažumų ir negaila, bet karas kainuoja ir brangiai, o į tai negali neatsižvelgti.
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Parašė Zygis Rodyti pranešimą
Kainuoja ką? Rublius, kuriuos spausdint gali į kairę dešinę. Infliacija kažkiek didesnė, bet nieko katastrofiško.
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Aiškinti, kodėl taip vyksta, manau, nereikia.
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Pirmą kartą pasaulyje naikintuvas SU-30 buvo numuštas iš jūrų drono: https://charter97.org/ru/news/2025/5/3/639234/
panaudojus raketą P-73 https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A0-73
SU-30 vertė apie 50 liamų žalių
Manyčiau į Gineso knygą reikėtų įtraukti.Paskutinis taisė Arunasx; 2025.05.03, 13:19.Nepirk iš Decathlon, Ritter Sport, Philips, Nestle, KraftHeinz, Viada, Vičiūnų, ypač Kalnapilis myžalų,
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Net širdžiai malonu. Sladkovas ne šiaip koks "voenkoras", tai grandas tarp tos šušeros. Jei neklystu jis buvo tas, kuris 2000 metais pranešinėjo apie "Kursko" povandeninio laivo "didvyrišką gelbėjimą" ir liejo ašarą dėl jūreivių likimo, jis per abu Čečėnijos karus buvo rusų armijos PR veidas, reklamuodamas rusų "speacnazininkų" tikrus ir išgalvotus "žygdarbius", atrodo jis ir iš Sirijos buvo tas pirmasis atvykęs kartu su kariškiais. Ir dabar aktyviai trinasi Ukrainoje, tik dėl amžiaus jau nebėra tas pirmasis
Malonu skaityti šito seno vilko tokius šiandieninius opusus:
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Parašė taspac Rodyti pranešimąO galima santrauką šito? Tiems kas neskaito kvadratinių raidžių.
I feel sorry for us. We are being beaten. I've reached the point of pity. There was a period of denial, anger, and something else. But now I've accepted the situation as it is. We are being beaten like flies with a flyswatter. Yes, we are invincible in defense and irresistible in assaults; when it comes to infantry combat, the enemy almost always surrenders.
But Russia is shaken by enemy UAV raids, and now even the navy doesn't know where to hide. Abbreviations like the Black Sea Fleet (except for marines) are completely absent from the special military operation topic. We have the Dnieper Flotilla, so we use the courage of desperate guys to send Chinese boats on patrol, not knowing that BECs and large reconnaissance UAVs have long existed for such actions. I'm silent about space capabilities - that's already a fairy tale about fairy tales.
When we, the USSR, needed aviation, we created many aviation schools, for example VATU (three-year technical schools graduating lieutenant aviation technicians, armament specialists, etc.). Yes, in Voronezh, at the VVA, there is a UAV faculty, but that's not enough. It doesn't cover the needs of modern warfare with specialists.
We need to either stop the war, transition to a freeze, to truces, or somewhere else, or fight as Russians usually fight at the front, in the rear, and at headquarters. In this combat parity with Ukraine, we may wear down those who still want to fight. "It's okay, everything is fine" won't work anymore. We're stuck in the dilemma of "to strike or not to strike." Of course, strike. Why so much money was spent on fierce power that sits in the back yard.
Yes, and also strike those in the "swamp" who consider the special military operation "not their war" - identify and strike them too. And give thieves the maximum sentences. There's a lot that can be done, as they say, the horse has a big head, so let it think. Think in such a way that all our doubts disappear and never return.
And so that I stop feeling sorry for Russia, which is attacked here and there. And we have nowhere to respond, Ukraine has no fleet (and we laughed so much about that). Now we need to think about ourselves.
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